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Thank you, Julian, for this insightful guest post—it’s a rich extension of your conversation with Andrea, synthesizing predictive processing, niche construction, and the intrinsic rewards of play in ways that feel both grounded and inspiring. As someone reflecting on play’s role in adult life (and who shared questions on the original episode), I appreciate how this piece touches on several of those threads.

Your discussion of adults becoming "narrow-minded and inflexible with age" speaks to the diminishing play I asked about, aligning with the Einstellung effect and epistemic traps as reasons we get stuck.

QUESTION FOR YOU JULIAN:

Is there longitudinal data in Marc Andersen’s work on this?

Your critique of gamification as contrived also resonates with my question about authentic versus structured play, emphasizing how true play thrives in freedom, like Schiller’s transcendence or Lugones’ world-traveling.

The call to create playful university spaces hints at play as a preventive strategy against rigid mental states that could lead to depression or addiction. However, we need dedicated leaders and clear plans to make this real. I did a little research and, as you may be aware, Julian, there are initiatives like the Playful Learning Landscapes Action Network¹ and Active Playful Learning² that are transforming spaces—both public and academic—into hubs for surprise and joy. Programs like the Playful University Platform in Denmark³ also host events to turn classrooms into experimental zones, aligning with your vision. It's great to see how play can be embedded in higher education to counter mental rigidity and foster flourishing—recent studies show playful pedagogies, like LEGO-based activities or experiential courses, reduce anxiety and boost engagement in the short term, though long-term impacts and ongoing support to sustain flexibility remain under-explored.⁴ Investing in sustained engagement—through ongoing workshops, peer support groups, or iterative playful activities—could ensure these benefits endure, preventing a slide back into rigid mental patterns.

Building on this vision for adults, it extends naturally to younger learners: For children, like the 8-10 year olds my wife and I are reaching with Aussie Dreamers, a magical realism book series, we intentionally weave play into education, and through eco-fantasy narratives like ours, we believe we can offset the stresses young learners face, from academic pressure to social media overload. By engaging them in imaginative, nature-focused stories that encourage exploration and kinship (by weaving in Aboriginal elements), we create safe spaces for joy and resilience, countering rigidity and fostering emotional flexibility in ways that echo your ideas about play’s intrinsic rewards.

The call to create playful university spaces hints at play as a preventive strategy against rigid mental states that could lead to depression or addiction. However, I think we need more dedicated and inspired leaders and clear plans to make this real. I did a little research and, as you may be aware, Julian, there are initiatives like the Playful Learning Landscapes Action Network¹ and Active Playful Learning² that are transforming spaces—both public and academic—into hubs for surprise and joy. Programs like the Playful University Platform in Denmark³ also host events to turn classrooms into experimental zones, aligning with your vision. It's great to see how play can be embedded in higher education to counter mental rigidity and foster flourishing—recent studies show playful pedagogies, like LEGO-based activities or experiential courses, reduce anxiety and boost engagement in the short term, though long-term impacts and ongoing support to sustain flexibility remain under-explored.⁵ Investing in sustained engagement—through ongoing workshops, peer support groups, or iterative playful activities—could ensure these benefits endure, preventing a slide back into rigid mental patterns. I welcome your thoughts on this, Julian, as I have found through my coaching/mentoring of young men that without immersive engagement and follow-up, they default to their unhealthy patterns.

That said, the post sparks more curiosity for me—particularly around how we might apply these ideas to everyday stressors (e.g., micro-interventions amid life’s material constraints) or embodied practices like music and movement that disrupt rigidity. And while Lugones’ perspective on traveling between culturally constructed worlds is evocative, I’d particularly love to hear if cross-cultural studies inform this, such as how some societies sustain adult playfulness into later life. For instance, studies comparing German-speaking and Chinese adults show Western samples scoring higher on traits like lightheartedness and creativity, while Chinese participants often exhibit lower levels due to norms prioritizing conformity and seriousness⁵—highlighting how cultural values can nurture or suppress playfulness as we age. Broader global interviews reveal common associations with social sharing and emotional uplift, with variations: collectivist cultures emphasize communal rituals for harmony, while individualistic ones favor personal pursuits. This aligns with Lugones’ ideas in fluid Indigenous societies, like the San Bushmen of the Kalahari, whose egalitarian lifestyle—portrayed (albeit romantically) in The Gods Must Be Crazy (1980)—integrates adult play through humor and adaptive problem-solving amid challenges, turning hardships into resilient, lighthearted exploration. Though the film’s slapstick simplifies realities (and has faced criticism for ethnographic inaccuracies), anthropological accounts affirm how such playful elements promote well-being and counter rigidity, much like Scandinavian hygge and friluftsliv practices, which studies show reduce stress by up to 25% through cozy social gatherings and nature immersion, fostering joyful shifts between stress and ease.⁶

On a personal note, this reminds me of how my wife has been turning to the comedian Gabriel Iglesias (aka Fluffy) lately, much in the spirit of Norman Cousins’ Anatomy of an Illness, where he used laughter from films and shows to combat his health struggles and stresses. Watching her burst into exuberant laughter at his hilarious routines—often until she’s wiping away tears—has been a joy for me, a vivid example of comedy as a playful, cathartic micro-intervention that disrupts daily rigidity and brings lightness amid life’s pressures.

QUESTION FOR YOU JULIAN :

Does this align with your framework of resolving “just right surprises” through humor?

I look forward to your insights, Julian.

Warmly,

Michael

Footnotes

¹ https://playfullearninglandscapes.com/

² https://activeplayfullearning.com/

³ https://playful-learning.dk/en/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17439760.2021.1975165

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00421/full

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.678912/full

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