Andrea, Your coda there, on thinking's relation to communications with others, fits with an observation in my own case. Whatever I am doing is generally "captioned" with an explanation in words, in mind. And I'm pretty convinced this goes back to early childhood, and the question then of how I would explain myself to my mother -- who had minored in philosophy at Pembroke (Brown), and was still fresh from that in my earliest years. The prospective path of explanation is, as it were, a path alongside whatever my path of action in the world (or within).
Thank you for listening all the way to that Whit. I really like this way you express it as captioned. This is also a really interesting connection with it going back to your early childhood. Did your mom get you to 'notice your self' in that sense of this voice? It makes me think of something someone said to me recently about noticing his own patterns and sort of catching the ways he was talking to himself in the tone he had learned would impress or get the attention of his family, how he was patterning to their dynamics...I started wondering how much of this I did as a child and how aware I am now of what that pattern was...Also of the ways awareness can 'move beyond' or hold this voice and thus also changes its power. You and I seem to both have something to discuss about the language part of this and how it is or is not a matter of symbols. I will try and write something about this on Wednesday and see if we can get into some sort of discussion about it, as there is much I still need to clarify here relative to way-making and navigability.
At 4 or 5 I liked to sit in dark closet to catch my (largely verbal) thoughts. Mom had teased me by then with the problem of other minds. At about 6 Mom would (affectionately, if annoyingly) complain, while I was going on about some idea by which I was making sense of the world, "You talk to hear yourself talk." That's akin to 'notice your self,' maybe.
The art historian Svetlana Alpers, in The Art of Describing: Dutch Art in the Seventeenth Century, contrasts Italian Renaissance paintings, where the artists were producing illustrations of texts, with Dutch Golden Age artists inverting that relationship, having seeing 'hold*' language (*your word). There was even a genre of paintings mocking common sayings (see https://medium.com/the-collector/this-450-year-old-painting-contains-over-100-hidden-proverbs-we-still-use-today-cf5813f3915f). But Alpers' thesis is broader -- as if the Dutch were exemplifying Arnheim's "visual thinking" while the Italians were closer to Fodor's claim of imagery in mind being secondary to his LoT.
Andrea, Your coda there, on thinking's relation to communications with others, fits with an observation in my own case. Whatever I am doing is generally "captioned" with an explanation in words, in mind. And I'm pretty convinced this goes back to early childhood, and the question then of how I would explain myself to my mother -- who had minored in philosophy at Pembroke (Brown), and was still fresh from that in my earliest years. The prospective path of explanation is, as it were, a path alongside whatever my path of action in the world (or within).
Thank you for listening all the way to that Whit. I really like this way you express it as captioned. This is also a really interesting connection with it going back to your early childhood. Did your mom get you to 'notice your self' in that sense of this voice? It makes me think of something someone said to me recently about noticing his own patterns and sort of catching the ways he was talking to himself in the tone he had learned would impress or get the attention of his family, how he was patterning to their dynamics...I started wondering how much of this I did as a child and how aware I am now of what that pattern was...Also of the ways awareness can 'move beyond' or hold this voice and thus also changes its power. You and I seem to both have something to discuss about the language part of this and how it is or is not a matter of symbols. I will try and write something about this on Wednesday and see if we can get into some sort of discussion about it, as there is much I still need to clarify here relative to way-making and navigability.
At 4 or 5 I liked to sit in dark closet to catch my (largely verbal) thoughts. Mom had teased me by then with the problem of other minds. At about 6 Mom would (affectionately, if annoyingly) complain, while I was going on about some idea by which I was making sense of the world, "You talk to hear yourself talk." That's akin to 'notice your self,' maybe.
The art historian Svetlana Alpers, in The Art of Describing: Dutch Art in the Seventeenth Century, contrasts Italian Renaissance paintings, where the artists were producing illustrations of texts, with Dutch Golden Age artists inverting that relationship, having seeing 'hold*' language (*your word). There was even a genre of paintings mocking common sayings (see https://medium.com/the-collector/this-450-year-old-painting-contains-over-100-hidden-proverbs-we-still-use-today-cf5813f3915f). But Alpers' thesis is broader -- as if the Dutch were exemplifying Arnheim's "visual thinking" while the Italians were closer to Fodor's claim of imagery in mind being secondary to his LoT.